When we see these inconsistencies should we pay attention that this may in fact be a wolf in sheeps clothing? I haveRead more , Two anecdotes: Through a friend I learned of a professional counselor making note of how many Watermark clients she had who were women who felt emotionally abused and demeaned by their husbands. *Michael had tried repeatedly to engage his community group members in mission activities, but they were not receptive and didnt bother to participate. Tom Cruises character, Mitch McDeere is a Harvard Law school graduate that is courted & hired by a prestigious Memphis law firm that represents a powerful mob family in Chicago (unbeknownst to him). Gretchen Reigh Ministry Assistant Part of Membership at Watermark is participating in regular, gospel-centered service. We love you, church. Excellent insight DB! On Facebook, he posted a letter from Watermark, an evangelical church in Dallas. Todd uses God to accomplish his goals ofRead more , We briefly visited WM; I quickly told my husband, this place is the cult of Todd and will implode without him. Thats not Todds fault, but no thanks. Just to name a few. Can I serve in a ministry that isnt part of Watermark? If by community you mean confessing every single sin in your life to a group of virtual strangers, disclosing your personal financial information, and seeking the approval of the group to change jobs, buy a house, start a family then no,Read more , Christian community can have so many different levels, and not everyone is seeking the same depth in all relationships. Lots of wood pallet walls, trendy decor, and of course a coffee shop. We were raised Baptist and raised our daughter that way initially. The new doe-eyed lawyer was in too deep, and life as he knew it would never be the same. Therefore, one of the most important steps we take to be fully devoted followers of Christ is to connect with others in a community group.. Having said that,Read more . They want to control your life. (click here to read that story). Amy Smith of the blog Watchkeep has documented her experience there, and it bears much of the hallmarks of a cult. Their defense, interestingly enough, is that anyone who thinks Watermark Church is a cult is the one with a problem, and Ryan gave 4 reasons why (these are direct quotes): Ryan then challenges the students to ask the following 3 questions when asked if Watermark Church is a cult: Instead of actually addressing why Watermark is being repeatedly labeled as a cult, these students are being further indoctrinated to ignore those concerns and place the blame for them on those who would question the organization. I have NEVER been asked to, let alone forced, to disclose financial information. The guy has an ad that comes on YouTube where he goes through how his org is run. . Follow Us. Complete a blank sample electronically to save yourself time and money. Not in your writing, but in the people who felt that they were being personally attacked and never took the time to speak to a leader or to actually consider the teachings that are found in the Bible. There are 2 Todd Wagners in Dallas. If you were not From Highland Park or University Park Todd Had no use for you. Rarely does someone leave a church fearing that they will be surveilled, have it affect their employment & reputation, and cause longterm PTSD. Perhaps more focused prayer from true believers to individually and collectively speak truth and take a stand for Jesus examples in the Bible will goRead more . Case in point this comment left on my post The Aftermath: Stories from Former Watermark Church Members: What Im curious to know is if Watermark Church lead pastor Todd Wagner has to provide his detailed financial information to a community group? @WorriedMom, I would love to connect with you. One of those, David Leventhal, announced that he had resigned last month Ive written and researched extensively on this topic, and have done podcast episodes on cults also; this definitely sounds like its on the cult spectrum. Im providing links and screenshots of Watermark Church literature that explicitly asks its members to do exactly that. This actually helps Provide understanding to a variety of different conversations I have had over the years with people who attended this organization. He had no recollection of ever having seen or met you before because he was so self absorbed. In the video below, its quite clear that Watermark Church, while maintaining traditional Christian doctrine, is operating in a many ways like a cult. Like *Susan, he was pressed to share more, and when he assured the group that he just didnt have much to share in the way of struggles, he was accused of lying or holding back. Also, they believe that if you arent a member of a local church, you are essentially a rebel, dismembered from the body, exiled from the kingdom and an orphan of the faith. It said his membership was revoked. If you dont want to share about your finances you dont have to. Its all by design, of course. Splash Sunday School classes learn about God's word through Bible lessons, scripture memorization, songs, games and crafts. In this meeting he was advised not to associate with another church member. Definitely good intuition to be concerned for your daughter. Additionally, if you are removed from membership by church leadership, they have the right to share the reasons why with anyone they want to and you gave them the right to when you signed the membership covenant. Consult on the . Susan says she is now happy to be away from Watermark Church and is healing. I verified it. Children will be dismissed to Kids Church after the offering time of the 9:00 am service. Im not saying that the Watermark Todd Wagner lives in a shack, by any means. Any admonishment should be delivered with patience, grace, and compassion. While God does allow humans to have free will, His greatest gift to every human is salvation and eternal life, through believing that He sent His son as a sacrifice for our sins. Every argument you put forth seems to be based on your subjective opinion based on your speculation, assumption, and judgement.. Watermark encourages people to confess their sins to one another and to admonish faithfully but thats because thats what the Bible tells us to do as believers.. This process is called ' Community Formation ' (formerly GroupLink). You can review your membership status here. So unless this person gave away 7 more $1.5 million homes, they would not be taxed on any of those gifts ever. Do whatever you want with a Meet the TeamCentral Atlantic Conference United Church . In the beginning you are blissfully unaware that just under the surface of all the whirlwind of activity and belonging, there is an undercurrent of control about to take hold of you. Genuine question, The house was given to him from a member of the church years ago. Todd Wagner 'resigned' (read my post about that here) and now appears to be starting a new church. You tuned right into what most, including myself, ignored because we were too distracted by the perceived success and engaging teaching styles. In November 2021, the church announced that Blake Holmes would be the new lead pastor/elder, along with adding John Elmore & Timothy Ateek as teaching pastors. I jokingly said Maybe theyre from Watermark (referring toRead more , Jan, emotional abuse and demeaning relationships are somewhat of a watermark of of how they care for the people who become involved. (I share this not to be super-negative, but just because this practice is far [], CALL TO ACTION Former WM Members Did WM pray for you, or did WM prey on you? He found my blog while researching the similarities between Scientology and Watermark Church. Its inappropriate and wrong for a pastor serving the church to live an opulent lifestyle. Its extremely worrisome that they feel they have to hide and be afraid of what Watermark Church may say or do in response to them telling the truth about their abuse. Marvin Walker (left), the pastor of Watermark South Dallas, laughs with the neighborhood panel after church member Micheal Sneed (right) remembers he should have been talking about his views about the church, but gave a 10-minute testimony of his life growing up in South Dallas at the rezoning community meeting on Monday, Nov. 7, 2022. You stated that Moneywise is a separate program within Watermark Church, which is true, but the documentation that I provided is from the Community Core Values curriculum, and the Moneywise program is embedded into the core values, which members of the CG are required to follow. When I was 17, I started attending church regularly with my boyfriend (now husband) in high school, and we would go to Sunday School. 3. Start the weekend by remembering Christ's sacrifice for our sins. The Watermark Church staff member attempted to use *Michael to help further isolate and exclude this wayward church member by exaggerating details of a situation in order to cause him to think negatively of this person, and thus no longer associate with him. Seeking 3 interns for a paid 6-month, an in-person internship in Greenville, SC, to begin on Monday, April 3 rd, 2023. Take Your Power Back we all know many invested their heart and lives into this place, only to be punished and abused when their performance was not up to the public image WM wanted society to perceive of their organization. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 I share with my community and the groups of people I trust, who have helped guide me into some better decision making. Watermark was founded in November 7, 1999 with an outward-focused ministry that sought to minister to "the unchurched, dechurched, dead-churched and unmoved." [1] Watermark averages about 9,000 weekly attendants. Author: this is unequivocally WRONG. No longer fulfill the requirements of membership. I cannot imagine that Jesus, given all options, would choose to live among the wealthiest citizens in the most landscaped, luxurious part of the city. Now he confesses to sin himself , sin ofRead more , I knew Todd when he was an associate pastor at Northwest Bible Church. Its sad to see how the church moved in the direction of being more cult like. Ive also never shared my income with anyone at the church, but my community knows a little. After you have completed Membership Class Part I, you will be assigned a host who will listen to your story of grace. The Yelp algorithm is strange. In *Michaels case, he disclosed to his community group a business opportunity that he was considering. Spiritual authority has nothing to do with title, education, or rhetorical ability (2 Cor 10-13). You can always view your progress in the Membership process by visiting your Membership Status page. My fellow watch blogger Julie Anne at Spiritual Sounding Board shared this video on the BITE model for cults. "With tears in my eyes, I confessed how far I had drifted from that first moment when I was so in awe of Him and how I chose the things of my flesh over the life He offered to me." Those who love control and achievement thrive very well there = works. Positional authority deals with executing responsibilities within an organization, like a general in an army, the president of bank, or the pastor of a church. You are way off base. But it was a brutal experience that cost a marriage and many other relationships.Read more , GREAT Article. On any device & OS. Ex-member Callie Nicholson, a 25-year-old nutrition student and behavioral therapist, told The Daily Beast she struggled with an eating disorder while in Dwell. People leave churches all the time. Then she shares the sheep aspect which is they did help financially which is Christ like. Ive spoken to these people and I believe them. Groucho Marx. Anna may be able to recommend some professional reading materials, which would help you to educate your daughter in a way at her age she will be able to see clearly. In community we are known, loved, cared for, pursued, encouraged, and challenged to be more like Jesus. I highly recommend that you watch the video, because if you watch it with just the tiniest bit of scrutiny, you will notice Todd Wagner work some word-magic here. One time during a sermon years ago Todd commented how his wife was set up with people to call should his behavior become too much for her to deal with. Interns are expected to work 15 hours a week during the academic year and then up to 40 hours a week . What strikes me most clearly is that Watermark fits clearly two of Dr Robert Liftons 8 markers of cults: the demand for purity and the cult of confession. Each community group member has the right to call you out on something, anytime, whether you like it or not. It all starts out with the love-bombing (just like what happened in the movie, The Firm), which is a tactic commonly attributed to narcissists who draw in their victims with lofty promises and over-the-top love & affection. I had another person ask me what do you intend to accomplish by writing posts about Watermark Church? This is a tough one. Also Im not a WM member or past member but I too was a Target by their members for speaking out against his influence in the public schools in LH. Todd was my counselor at Kanakuk Camps for a summer. I know his church was started in Lake Highlands at the HS and then he gained enough followers and was able to purchase a house in HP. Click on each one to enlarge. Susan felt it was ironic that I had made a comparison between Scientology and Watermark Church, because she said those same comparisons helped her realize that she was not in a healthy church. This wasnt simply a prayerful I hope this works out for you sort of deal the group would ACTUALLY tell you what to do. I just write about the truth. I admit I also used to automatically discredit stories Like this one when I heard them. Confession, of course! While he was pastor at another church in Dallas he followed this same doctrine of sin and follower of Jesus Christ. This team makes sure we are good stewards of those gifts by carefully receiving, counting, and documenting each gift given in house on Sunday mornings. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. Watermark Community Church is a nondenominational evangelical megachurch based in Dallas, Texas . Another requirement for membership is that you find an area in which to serve in the church. Im happy to answer any questions, but you need to know this is absolutely wrong information. Please allow up to 3 business days for a response. It did not disappoint. I promise Im not trolling yall. Prestonwood Baptist also made the list (top 20) and its nowhere near a cult. You can also listen to our sermon on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube. Grace is a term often used at WM, although I found it either seldom accurately exercised or forgotten completely behind their right to execute Matthew 18 because we all know punishing people draws them back toRead more , Thank you for your comment. As I learned how WM was initially started, out of manipulative behaviors and lies, I knew I had to leave. He had become so fed up that he started to miss a few community group meetings then HE gets admonished in gang-up style. Keith During Ian Keith's time as a Hillsong member from late 2011 to early 2015, he. Belong to His body. Secondly he says that even Jesus himself said things that might be considered cultish: If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26. Came home from college to learn that my parents are going to a megachurch in the area called "Watermark Community Church". They fear excessive contact & pressure from the church that they are on a sinful path and/or that Watermark Church will pursue formal church discipline against them. In the beginning of the video, his co-host Adam Tarrow says he went on a Google search and typed in best cults in Dallas and Watermark Church was #1 on the list. Dallas, TX 75251, In Person Sunday 9 AM, 11:15 AM, and 5 PM The initial corporate fraud is in fact the membership agreement itself. Streaming Sunday 9 and 11:15 AM Once you have joined or have been placed in a community group (CG), the control begins. Todd Wagner, the embattled pastor of Watermark Church, a Dallas multisite megachurch with a pre-pandemic congregation of 20,000 people, has resigned his position as senior pastor and elder. He springs off of that definition into how true followers of Jesus might be considered a Jesus-cult and how is that a bad thing? Champion and maintain the brand of photography at Watermark and The Porch. One of the core values of the community groups is Live Authentically, which they define as being completely honest with one anotherthis means giving others permission to know the real you by sharing authentically. This includes sharing your sins, struggles, along with your entire life story, potentially to a room full of complete strangers. Thanks to you for writing and Susan for sharing. I think I have a pdf copy of a ten year old one. Just checking out the church and looking at the background info the house has tripled in value since the Wagners bought it 20 years ago hardly a 7 figure home when purchased. It has forced many people to move or go into hiding. https://www.watermark.org/about/governance. I think you need to expand on the 4B Spiritual Assessment forms. If you want to be more like Jesus, you have to do it OUR way! Like Scientology, once they know these things, they can use them against you. Can anyone tell me what is Todd Wagners past? I've never heard of them, but after googling it I've seen some pretty worrying things about it. He counseled my former fiance and after several meetings with him my fiance broke up the engagement and I was left devastated. At least that was my experienceRead more , The house referenced in the post belongs to the correct Todd Wagner. I agree with you regarding gaining a new more Christ like understanding of how empathy is what is important to people who are struggling, also after having been in the midst of this organization. This process is called Community Formation (formerly GroupLink). restitution in the bible. You may or may not know the 5-6 people you are sitting in the room with (doesnt matter). For as long as the church has been in existence, this is the EXACT formula for getting connected in the Christian community but Watermark Church says its just not enoughwhy? We also get your email address to automatically create an account for you in our website. I dont mean to discredit anyones experience, but mine overall has been encouraging, and yes, challenging, but biblically sound. The more I read this story, this sounds like the opposite of how Fellowship Church treated members (Im a former member there) but from a different angle. With last weekend's resignation of Elder David Leventhal & Elder/Sr. You can see it on their instagram! Theyre not only going to write you off but theyll make sure your entire community group does too.Read more , [] of absence in September 2020 to work on prideful sin that was increasingly becoming visible to church members. Most people are content to carry on the way they always have and have no desire to be challenged in their beliefs. Unsure why he is getting criticized for living in a house that is experiencing uber appreciation b/c of the school district it resides in. So in summary, Watermark isnt a cult because they follow Jesus better than anyone, are more radical about it than anyone else, and if thats what a cult is, oh well, I guess were a Jesus cult! Watermark Church pushes for everyone to become members of a church, because in their opinion, it is assumed in the Bible. plan your weekend visit Sure, lets not address anything that is rumored to be strange about Watermark and say that Jesus sounded cultish. These days pride in their processes seems to trump being Jesus to the wounded. Watermark Church is a popular, non-denominational church in the Dallas area which has about 11,000 members. Its a huge red flag to me about Todds character and understanding of God. Small groups you were required to attend. I merely want to get the facts out on the table. I can see and understand why ex members might be scared. I think these behemoths are fueled by a bizarre tendency of people to adulate and worship grand pumba pastors the fealty and reverence paid to them always astonishes me. Yes- spiritual predators seek vulnerable people. 7540 Lyndon B Johnson Fwy Helping others Believe in Christ. I am a CFP and I dont see how the gift tax is relevant in this instance. My challenge to Susan is to give citations for the quotes she gives. He told me several times that my failure to participate has limited him from being involved in a community group, blah blah blah. Ashford, AL 36312 334.899.3624. Watermark, a fast-growing nondenominational church in northeast Dallas, says the case involves accusations of adultery, a wife who wanted to save her marriage, a husband who sat on a board of a national Christian organization, and another woman who works for another church. Download Watermark Community Church and enjoy it on your iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. This would be Cabo and in the middle of the worst weather tragedies that Dallas has seen in decades. If one person reads my post and feels validated about what they experienced or gains the courage to speak about how they were hurt at Watermark, then its worth it. Securely download your document with other editable templates, any time, with PDFfiller. If the things she claims were stated from the pulpit are true, there should be plenty of documentation. No longer fulfill the requirements of membership (whatever that means). Did he stay to minister to anyone in need? Everyone acts super happy, wanting a high five that you are there.Read more . Below are screenshots of the worksheets that community group members are required to fill out regarding their finances. There is a lot to like about being in that space and the staff and volunteers go out of their way to make you feel welcome. At least that was how I understood what he said. what is the oldest baseball bat company? There is an underbelly of control and abuse that starts at the top with the leadership and as long as these guys remain in control, theres little hope for change. I have nothing to hide, and sharingRead more , As an ex-Watermark member (8 years), and former CG leader (6 years), I can say unequivocally that I had no problem sharing my financial information with my guys. There might be some VERY unsafe people grouped up, causing some serious damage, all in the name of community.
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