Registered Member. with a variety of proofmarks. Anyone have a date code chart for the Llama 380 small 1911 look alike? The codes Find new ways of enjoying your time together, such as playing games and teaching your llama new tricks. The simple blowback .32ACP handgun won a large contract with the French Army, then embroiled in World War I. pistol. The oldest of the three by a year, Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA, best known as Llama, dated back to 1904 when the company ran under the banner of its two principal gunsmiths, Gabilondo y Urresti.. Mod. Any ideas as to the date of manufacture??? Texxut. X, with the addition of a grip safety, which was added immediately following World War II. LLama Max 1 l/f; John needs your help . Did anybody just check Mitch's 'stickie' at the top of the first page of the forum? III and is merely a smaller version of that model (Fig. Insert a loaded magazine into the handle of the pistol. Stay in the know. Llama pistols are now made in the Philippines, by Metro Arms and imported into the U.S. by Eagle Imports of Wanamassa, New Jersey. In spite of me looking everywhere on the gun, I can find no date code. Every cowboy needs a revolver. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The Ukrainian Tribute Growout is a great opportunity for tomato lovers to get their hands on some unique and delicious varieties. Proof marks are often very shallow, and in obscure places, like far up the trigger guard. Google "Spanish pistol date codes" for a chart. Nope, Llama Martial. Supposedly, this is: However, I have not seen this that I noticed, and a perusal of the few post-1995 guns in my possession doesn't seem to indicate it, and of photos doesn't help either. adam762 Apr 7, 2019 adam762 Well-known member Gold Contributor FALaholic # 11334 Joined Jul 28, 2003 Posts 5,118 Location Washington Court House, OH Feedback: 269 / 1 / 0 So based on what I know about dating Spanish pistols, this could either be 1927, 1932, or Jan of 1978. At this point, you will have the main components of the weapon disassembled. 0000000016 00000 n Pull the trigger return spring out of the frame. JavaScript is disabled. # start ser. XI This is a 9 mm. . I am not sure the same coding scheme is used for long arms, but try it and if it sounds right, it might be. The year code may appear on the frame above the trigger or under the grip 0 Nazi World War Two Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers. 23.4 KB Views: . Short version of the Mod. To know factually, it will work with H-P's and low velocity ammo. It looks like you're new here. They are usually on and/or near the front of the trigger guard. gun was exported to a different country as a military acquisition. I This was a 7.65 mm. LLama Model I was a blowback pistol The 12 month average price is $325.41 new and $169.82 used. III This was a 9 mm. V Made in 9 mm. 1967 = XXIII. It is a full-size reproduction of the Colt-Browning recoil-operated pistol Mod.1911. Place the weapon on a flat surface in an area with adequate lighting. It was produced from 1936 and was still made in 1953 but does not appear in 1955 factory literature. Take out the hammer and mainspring assembly and set aside. I except for magazine capacity. Assistir Chelsea X Leeds - Ao Vivo Grtis HD sem travar, sem anncios. Unscrew and remove the trigger guard from the frame. 0000012824 00000 n Mod. Trade mark patents usually bear the prefix Mar." (for Marca) and in the same period they ran from 30,000 to 40,000. Largo, and .45 ACP. 131 0 obj <> endobj 1911A1 Colt. The legitimate design patents are usually prefaced by Co." (for Concedido) and during the period 1915 to 1922, when there was a virtual epidemic of new Spanish pistols, these patent numbers ranged from 60,000 to 71,000. Browning caliber, original blowback style, dating from about 193'31934, first issued without model designation, with factory catalog designation No. September 2018 edited November 2018. Every 28 years or so (there are inexplicable gaps) they start a new series, by adding a number to the end of the letter codes. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected. If you like interesting and often rare guns like these Spanish classics, be sure to check out ourCollectors Corneror look through our entire catalog of more than3,000 new and used guns of all sorts. These were . III. Check Gun Broker to get a better idea of prices for Llamas. Remove the hammer and mainspring assembly from the frame, located just above the trigger. After Spanish civil war, company moved its facilities to Vitoria, Spain, where it . 0000014749 00000 n K-Mart Classics: Remingtons Nylon Rimfires Engineered To Last. Despite the new address, all the Spanish traditions and heritage are still part of the brand. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! The flaming torch is also used in the same type grip. Llama made a lot of different 9mms and .45s. Go for walks together. This is purely a conjecture. III, but this has not been confirmed. Jan 24, 2002 #1. pistol translate: pistola, pistola [feminine, singular]. caliber, was issued along with Mod. Gun Type: Handgun NIB $0000 Excellent $0000 Very Good $0000 Good $0000 Fair $0000 38 ACP; 92% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 5.5'' barrel, Manufactured in Spain by Gabilondo y Cia, date code LL (1940), Original blue finish and checkered walnut grips. Back to "Llama" Date of manufacture for Spanish handguns. This pistol is still made. SaveShare Reply schutzen-jager Llama pistol is still produced today. Take out the base pin, located at the front of the frame and above the trigger. I don't know, but it's not by hijacking an 8 year old dead thread. There was no proof house in Eibar before 1927. YouTube personality, Graham Baates, gives us a video breakdown and review of the Llama Max-1 1911 Handgun in .45 acp. http://star-firearms.com/firearms/proof.shtml If your gun was made in 1967 there will be a M2 stamped on the frame near the proof marks. Stronger Guns. Serial Numbers for "T" prefix Hi-Power pistols exceeded be submitted to the Eibar Proof House for testing prior to being released 1984 according to the site - seems a lot more likely. Push out the hammer pin and remove the hammer, sear, and sear spring. 0000007089 00000 n Dubbed a Starlite by importers, this Star 9mm was a more compact BKS style version of their 1911-style handguns. At the bottom of it is, however, another note. The taller the rib, the more so. Welcome to the updated GunBroker.com forums. LLAMA22r.jpg. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. Thomas Jefferson. Mod. However, factory literature of 1936-39 shows this model in .45 cal. Mod. Ensure that the gun is unloaded by removing the magazine and visually inspecting the chamber. 7.65M/M (32) "LLAMA"". 9 m/m 38 "Llama" On the right side of the slide is "LLAMA" EXTRA..no other markings on the slide. the frame "GECO". The date code will be something like the G*1 on this gun. Its headquarters were in Eibar in the Basque Country, Spain, but they also had workshops during different times in Elgoibar and Vitoria. By collecting seeds from your own garden or buying them in bulk, you can save money on future purchases. %%EOF In 1995 serial numbers began to follow a coded system. Here's what you need to know about the project. These ranged in caliber from .45ACP down to .380 and were imported under a variety of monickers with 9mm Luger variants being the most popular. Though there was another one operating for a short time in the early 1920s, Eibar is the one and only Spanish government proof house for most of the 20th century. It appears to be identical to Mod. User Agreement Both are identical to the Llama Mod. Victor1911. 1911A1, but without the grip safety, and in 9 mm. the earlly pistols had smooth slides, then the rib appeared in the 1950s. Llama IIIA series 1 variation 1- 380 acp, Locked breech,161 mm overall length, three vents in the rib, 1955 into 1969. Mod. Take out the safety lever and its spring. For year, there is a date code on all Spanish pistols since 1927 Google "Spanish pistol date codes" 11th May 2010, 11:56 #22. Short, second blowback pattern and more closely approached the external shape of the Mod. Pull those off (for many guns, like the Firestar, be careful not to move the safety as a plunger can become dislodged and fly away, lost forever when the grips are off) and look if you have no other luck. Mod. All rights reserved worldwide. Manufactured by GABILONDO Y CIA, ELGOIBAR (ESPANA) in 1943, and accordingly marked on the left side of the slide and frame (Spanish date code). This is not just accidentally under the stocks because it was stamped before assembly, but deliberately along the backstrap portion, very hidden from view unless searched for. To this weapon was given the trade name Llama" which is the name for currently made Gabilondo pistols. Around 1997 that rib disappeared, and there were some nice Llama pistols made - 9mm, .40. Examples: Monday, today, last week, Mar 26, 3/26/04, http://star-firearms.com/firearms/proof.shtml. Remove the magazine from the pistol by pressing the magazine catch release located on the left side of the gun near the trigger guard. 0000005364 00000 n IV This was the original Llama pistol, dating from 1931-32, in 9 mm. While Spanish Mausers and various CETME rifles have always had a high profile here in the States, these desirable long arms were by far eclipsed in import numbers by handguns hailing from the Iberian country. My book on Beretta 391 Disassembly is no longer available. 0000004154 00000 n 0000002305 00000 n III-A This post-World War II version of Mod. Odd-looking due to its nearly straight grip orientation and narrow slide, the blowback-action 9mm Largo gun was successful enough to remain in production for more than 30 years, spinning off the 9mm Luger-chambered Astra 600 and .32ACP or .380 ACP-chambered Astra 300 variants. "Spanish Year Of MFG. #925888. IV. A document sent to me some time ago, and which I just now noticed, is the same sheet as the above table from the nice people at Ipar Guns. A Cold War era classic with smooth lines, a legendary back story, and an exotic-sounding name, Beretta's Model 71 was definitely a mouse that roared. It was manufactured from about 1936 to 1954. <<15C81629E362274B90BB74B129ED3423>]/Prev 732470>> 0000007757 00000 n # end 1945-194819999Since 1968-1969 was a transition period in Browning 0001 . Parabellum, 9 mm. It has been suggested that the name Modello IV may have been reserved for the Tauler pistol which is identical to it. VII, but with the addition of a grip safety. It might appear on the box label, however, so everyone look around and tell me if that seems true. Remove the cylindrical pin, located at the bottom rear of the receiver, which holds the cylinder in place. It is still in production. The first pistol produced was an exact copy of the Colt Mod. as the firing of one or more overpressure or "proof" cartridges, followed To further disassemble, use a screwdriver to remove the screws and pins located on the frame and slide. After WWI, Gabilondo y Urresti changed the company name to Llama and updated their catalog with several updates to the Colt M1911 design, which remained in production as the Llama Max series into the 2000s, as well as revolvers such as the Comanche and Martial series, which were cloned S&Ws in many respects. For pistols built after 1936 slide marking reads: "LLAMA GABILONDO Y CIA ELOEIBAR (ESPANA) CAL 9MM .380". The "C1" proof is a date code for 1957. First, make sure your seeds are dry before sending them in. Though this system works fine for the Eibar-based Star, use care when trying to proof-date a gun by another Spanish maker. Now, if you look at it sideways, there is a large "6 78" next to it. Earlier issues had a lanyard ring at bottom of left side of the grip frame, but this ring was omitted in later issues and the grip pieces were redesigned. Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up works for Beretta, Benelli and other Italian firearms. 0000013902 00000 n For the small European and Bersa .22's. Until you have time to test fire sufficiently. Smith & Wesson Model 586: Reviewing A .357 Revolver With Class. 1943, and accordingly marked on the left side of the slide and frame (Spanish Although many other countries have military acceptance marks as well, I do not know their design; if anyone does know for sure, please send me a good quality photo or other reference information. Remove the cylinder latch plunger located in the frame above the trigger. Please start a new thread and add some pictures to it. Z=1954, A1 = 1955 etc . When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Although I do not specifically address it, this should therefore work for Astras, Llamas, and any other handgun. Roger brought it up this last Feb 2009 before I asked to have a sticky made of the info. Remove the slide from the frame. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. Place your fingers through the trigger guard and grasp the handle firmly. A place for the discussion of all types of curio & relic firearms, including questions and answers about their markings, origin. Imported to Nazi Germany during the World War Two by Mod. Its 387000 range serial number is correct for the Year 1967, so the final digit 1 of the date code simply did not stamp strongly enough to be seen through the chrome plating. This is still speculative, as there is no clear X or X1 date code to accompany it, but the pistol is of the style that would have been made in 1978, and the T1 is not an absolutely convincing date code due to size and format. I have never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as a reason for withdrawing from a friend. Push out the slide stop, then take out the trigger bar and disconnector. Pull the trigger guard assembly out of the frame, located at the bottom of the gun. Llama Date code chart. I assume the Star chart is accurate for the Llama? Unscrew and remove the magazine release from the frame. My first 1911, but I bought it because the price was right - $125 (this was a few years ago.) 131 51 2023 GunBroker.com, LLC. http://www.star-firearms.com/firearms/proof.shtml, The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? http://web.jet.es/rafa/b_punzones_larga_lisa.html. Check the chamber to make sure it is empty, and then remove the magazine. Numrich Gun Parts Corporation. for sale. X This pistol, in 7.65 mm. Same firm that was founded in 1904 and produced several inexpensive revolvers and pistols prior to 1931. 0000079047 00000 n Mike, none of the marks you show are the date code. Llama pistol date codes? inspection and displayed no ill effects from the proof firing, it was stamped The new value of a SPANISH pistol has risen $68.88 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $330.65 . 181 0 obj <>stream The proof date code should be a letter, followed by a number from 1955 onward, e.g. 0000005590 00000 n This practice became most organized, and earned the name of "proofing" with the advent of firearms, when armor plates were proof tested to assure their resistance to (proof against) early gunfire. MB Date code on German M98 rifles with swv marks signifying that it was made in late 1944 early 1945. . ACP only. Star Firearms: Dating your Star Pistol with Proofmarks. In 1931 it was decided to modernize Bev Fitchett's Guns Survival (current) FREE Military Tough 6-in-1 Tactical Survival Knife Free 2nd Amendment Gun Rights Silver Coin Llama especials are very sensitive and will only be comfortable with someone they trust. Production by Model The code should be found on the left side of the frame just above the trigger or under the frame and it will be identified by a * over the letter or a * over the letter and number year code. Design, code & content when not otherwise indicated are 1995-2023 Steven Hoober View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles New Member . 0000024965 00000 n 1927, Spanish law has required that every firearm manufactured in Spain In 1931, company began to produce a semi-automatic pistol based on Colt Model 1911. These pistols were made available for Three are proofmarks, and there is a fourth that is a Spanish military acceptance proof. 0000079298 00000 n It's still a bit of a mess, but if you are not seeing it, there's the proof house admission seal, the proof house pass seal, large letters apparently reading "T1" below this. 0000070355 00000 n Push the recoil spring assembly forward and off the frame. In 1980s, firm introduced a new line of pistols that were more modern in design and function. 226 Williams Ln. Principal among these was a trio of pistol and revolver makers that operated primarily from the Eibar area in northern Spains Basque region Astra, Llama, and Star. 0000009797 00000 n The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Note that most will not be hilited in white as these are. I, to which no model number was originally assigned. Llama was born in Spain over 100 years ago but now resides in the Philippines. 0000017631 00000 n Seed saving is a great way to ensure the survival of your plants, and it's also an economical choice. Remove the recoil spring and guide rod from the slide. 0000002610 00000 n If they are just standard models not customized, then $500-$600 for both sounds more like it to me. Visually check the chamber to ensure it is empty. Serial number, date code, year, if each is present, then any pertinent information like import markings or a description of the pistol. Also think like the manufacturer. II This 9 mm. Likewise, the year 1981 was represented with the code A2. Retract the slide back until it locks. At least one reader has a model PD with, apparently, the month and year of manufacture directly stamped on the frame. Oops. The three proof marks indicate receipt at the proof house, passing of proof, and the date of proofing. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Your pistol was made in an era when the Spanish pistols were still very good quality - late 1960s into 1980s is when they got a bit questionable. Remove the cylinder pin located at the front of the frame and above the barrel. Gunswapper Member Posts: 1,006 . 5-7 oz Orange, mid season). As these guns took readily-available blanks and looked very similar to the classic M1911, the Star 9mm appeared in literally hundreds of movies and TV shows in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. The oldest of the three by a year, Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA, best known as Llama, dated back to 1904 when the company ran under the banner of its two principal gunsmiths, Gabilondo y Urresti.
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