One hardly noticed the greatest benefit to the end user: The engine systems were so compact, many boats could gain an aft cabin or at least a sleeping berth where diesel engines once thrummed away. Estimating the yearly cost isnt easy either, since yard rates vary and some pods need more upkeep than others. When a 42-foot pod boat can replace a 46-footer, savings add up fast. Sacrificial anode maintenance is both cheap and easily performed by the average inboard boat owner. At first no one trusted them; now you can hardly sell a car without one.. Im a pessimist, however, and because of this Id budget $3,000, quite an upcharge from just replacing zincs. While it is possible to reuse lids to reduce your consumption cost, they will impact the flavor negatively, same way as a disposable cup will impact the flavour of your coffee negatively if reused. Pods are comprised of some very costly components, but theoretically, their modular design should yield some countervailing savings in labor costs. SeaVee no longer builds inboard boats, but that was a neat one. Ill be limiting my search to non-pod models going forward. Much more service options down there. Units that under our Hassle-Free Warranty program are covered directly by TVAPE and do not require you to deal directly with the manufacturer. If that aint enough, Seven Marine builds a 557- or 627-horsepower small-block V-8 configured as an outboard motor. Volvo Penta officially introduced IPS (Inboard Performance System) pod drives at the 2005 Miami Boat Show; Cummins and ZF Marine followed, one and four years later, with their own versions. Disappointing, but then again whens the last time you worked on your car? The company didnt invent them, but it made pod a household word among boaters. I am looking for one that has been treated well and run as close to the ideal as possible. Dont cheap out on anodes, Petzold advised. Plus factors and quiet fuel efficient. That gives customers a stronger comfort level than an offshore service hotline.. And while its hard to nail down the amount of that fuel-efficiency edge, everyone agrees it does exist and can compensate you for at least some of the additional maintenance costs. The Arc GTS is no . There are many reasons why everyones not on the pod bandwagon. Discussion in 'Engines' started by JamCruiser, Jun 20, 2020. Using a fresh arcpod lid enables you to visibly see which one of your pods is used and which ones have been depleted. Oh, and if youre a do-it-yourselfer, youll discover that a lot of pod maintenance requires specialized tools and training. Such tales are grist for boaters imaginations, as is the mere idea of components made of expensive, finely machined alloys dangling below the boat, protected by neither keel nor shaft. Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. These cookies collect information that is used either in aggregate form to help us understand how our website is being used or how effective our marketing campaigns are, or to help us . Thats a hard question to answer, due to the past 15 months, Meissner says, referring to the economic recession. I am liking the Searay 44 Sedan Bridge of the ~2009 vintage as those have QSC500s with conventional drives. In the past decade, high-tech pod drives have changed the face of powerboating, and for the better. From a long term maintenance perspective you are better off with a conventional drive line. Its docking. These cookies collect information that is used either in aggregate form to help us understand how our website is being used or how effective our marketing campaigns are, or to help us customize our website and application for you in order to enhance your experience. We fully respect if you want to refuse cookies but to avoid asking you again and again kindly allow us to store a cookie for that. ZFs pod-drive includes a jackshafted transmission, which can mate to any diesel engine the owner prefers. Ask to see the service records for the boats first year. The downside is that a boat with less horsepower is more easily burdened by loading the boat. Initially, I too was surprised at the lack of trained techs in my area but once I realized you can use Mercury techs that have been to Mercury Diesel school, more options opened up. We had a few bugs in my first IPS boat. Instead of having to jog throttles and shift levers to effect a maneuver, simply push, pull or twist the joystick and the boat follows the -directions, pivoting in place or crabbing sideways say, into a slip thats just long enough to fit your vessel. The biggest thing marketed to promote the system was its efficiency compared to a regular shaft and prop system, as well as joystick maneuverability. You can also change some of your preferences. I have personally ruled out any boat with PODS, IPS or ZEUS, for those 2 main reasons. Thats opened up more opportunities and options for OEMS.. Nor did I want to. Pods have more parts, both mechanical and electronic, and conventional wisdom says that means more problems. For nearly a decade, pod propulsion looked like it would render inboards obsolete. Cummins QSC 8.3 Zeus pods long term support, https://www.yachtforums.com/converszeus-pods-long-term-support.17232/#navigation, https://www.sabreyachts.com/motor-yachts/fly-bridge-sedan-48/fly-bridge-48-performance-data, (You must log in or sign up to reply here.). Volvo includes neither a water alarm nor a clear reservoir, so check the single transmission and gear oil dipstick for signs of water. And if you have to ask about price, you really dont need one. (Changing engine oil at least yearly is a good idea, too, even if you dont hit the hour limit.). How much of the additional initial cost will you get back at trade-in time? Alas, the fact that electronics dont respond well to brute force may mean some service challenges, at least in the short term, which is why long-distance cruisers have, as a group, been wary of pods. You cant take the grate off to clean or paint in there. His solution is to spray Interlux Trilux 33 or Pettit Alumaspray Plus from aerosol cans inside the seawater intakes. (Volvo Penta soon followed suit.) How to Manage Boat Finances During a Recession, Gamefisherman 43 Express on the Drawing Board, Marlin Expeditions Offers Light-Tackle Paradise in Guatemala. And joystick piloting? But pod-drive engines use counter-rotating props. We only go around once anyway, so pay the money, grab the joystick, and have some angst-free enjoyment. The boat had a set of outriggers, and fishing out of Beaufort, North Carolina, we caught the first billfish ever with an IPS drive system. Okay, the motors cost about $80,000 and $90,000, respectively. That means a haulout to remove the break-in lube and replace it with the normal lubricant. Fifty dollars per prop should do it. I stay on top of the maintenance, oil and everything and never had a breakdown., Some people complain about the top-end speed of pods. No thrusters are required, saving more cash. Regardless of prop orientation, the first drives were a far cry from the watchlike beauties brought forth by Volvo Penta and, later, Zeus and ZF Marine. It might save the cost of a divorce on cruelty-while-docking grounds, too, a way bigger budget-breaker than pod drives. Cummins says you dont have to haul, but it takes a lot more time to suck that heavy oil out than to just drain it from the bottom, Siebert said. Cummins uses aluminum-gallium anodes to best protect bronze drives. Vessel Systems Considerations for Marine Repower, ZF Marine Propulsion Systems Miramar, LLC. Looking at other online sources, people seem to be in Love or Hate camps.what are the facts please? If one engine vibrates in gear and the other doesnt, its probably caused by fouled or damaged props. For more information and/or quote, please complete the contact form below. The following cookies are also needed - You can choose if you want to allow them: This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. To use this website and make a purchase on this website: www.zeusarsenal.com, you both acknowledge and agree to follow our Terms of Use. If they dont increase the odds of hooking up, who cares? However, the patent on forward-facing props a feature that Volvo Penta claims gives its drives better traction by letting the broad blades and narrow hubs of their counter-rotating props turn in clean water well below the surface was not utilized. Part of that comes as a side effect to the benefits of the props angle of attack. Pods have been pretty darn foolproof, he said. Robin Buckley captains a SeeVee 39 with IPS 600s, named Kimbuktu. If one engine vibrates but the other doesnt while in neutral, the problem is likely in the always-turning jack shaft. And the Zeus pods also came with a joystick. For a ballpark number, Im deferring to a well-researched article written by our late friend, Capt. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Featuring a patented design that provides the simplest solution for vaping on the go with your Zeus 3rd generation vaporizer. Not on the pods. But now that both Volvo Inboard Propulsion System and Cummins MerCruiser Zeus drives have been spinning beneath boats for more than five years, its time to assess the cost of ownership of pods versus conventional shafts. Not a lot of guys know pods yet. Pods are more prevalent in the pleasure-yacht category than in sport fishing. Today, pod-powered boats are common in any yacht yard, and qualified service and repair technicians are easy to find along the waterfront. 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You are free to opt out any time or opt in for other cookies to get a better experience. are zeus pods still being manufactured. Controlled at low speeds by a joystick rather than wheel, shifts, and throttles, pods take most of the angst, the apprehension, and, sometimes, the sheer terror out of close-quarters maneuvering. And often, pods do have less torque than shaft-driven boats. Whats another three grand, compared to the cost of a boat big enough and upscale enough for pod drives? Are the Zeus drives still being produced today? Theres no free lunch, so there must be a hidden cost that no ones factored in.. I see the cummins split from Zeus around here was not a good thing myself. Best of the old and the new.maybe. Change the fluids annually, or every 250 hours of operation. Look for signs of corrosion. Zeus has two zincs attached to each trim tab. Capt. Spencer Yachts builds an 87-footer with ZF pods, and Smith was integral to the development process. We need 2 cookies to store this setting. Another benefit comes from counter-rotating props on the pods. Volvo Penta introduced the first pod-drive system in 2004. Only thing is, outboards burn gas, and more of it than diesels of similar power. Not so. Then forward-thinking builders (Tiara, Cruisers, Regal, and Sabre among them) redesigned their boats for pod power and the technology became mainstream. As one broker told me, Its like automatic transmissions. (Depending on the pod, there might be internal anodes, too. The aft placement of pods has added to usable space on board. Sea Ray sells the 460 Sundancer with twin 550-horsepower Cummins diesels, with either V-drive or Zeus drives; the Zeus option adds $113,333 to the $1,004,768 price, according to Sea Ray. Simply pop in a pod and enjoy your herbs. Before, maneuvering required forethought, logic, coordination, and strategizing; after, it became mere intuition: Look where you want to go and point the joystick that way. $44 MediaLight Mk2 Flex 4m D65 6500CRI98 Bias Lighting USB powered ComputersTablets & Networking Laptop & Desktop Accessories USB Lights & Gadgets Today, 250s are middle of the road: Triple and quad 300s are common, and 400s built for everyday use are available, too. Buckley dismisses the fear of forward-facing props. That could make billing a fish tough if you have to strain to reach the water. Sure the stories are one-sided, but as an aggregate source of information, theyve led me to conclude that pods are no more prone to failure than inboards but that when a pod breaks, the repair bills going to be higher. Outboards are, in my opinion, the most interesting. Most new boats developed in the 35- to 45-foot class were pods. Still, many boaters werent convinced. Heck, Mercurys Verado 400R comes with a two-year warranty, even though its got Racing painted on the cowl. Some could be rotated 180 degrees and run adequately facing either fore or aft. Comparing the Sabre 42 Hardtop Express, one with pods and one with shafts: At wide-open throttle, the pods horizontal thrust and contrarotating propellers increase economy (0.8 nmg for pods, 0.63 nmg shafts). "Cummins says you don't have to haul, but it takes a lot more time to suck that heavy oil out than to just drain it from the bottom," Siebert said. Fortunately the 42 Express cockpit is well laid out for Zeus . For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Better fuel efficiency? Siebert puts annual maintenance for pods roughly $2,000 above what straight shafts cost, not including extra haul-out fees for boats that exceed 250 engine-hours per year. We created Lids for you to reuse your Aluminum ArcPods. Pods require drive-oil changes every 250 hours or annually. Around here most mercury dealers wont take it on. Boats do sink from that very thing. They said it was so easy a child could do it, and sure enough, it wasnt long before a lad barely out of kindergarten deftly maneuvered a 40-footer into a slip all by himself. It is so nearly parallel to the boats keel that it enables pod-drives to lighten the vessel with smaller engines that still provide ample thrust to plane and power the now lighter boat. (I know you're supposed to replace each use for both the other companies, but it is possible to get more than one sesh out of each pod). I can do a 180 in about a second and a half. Zeus propeller shafts use a double-lip seal. Pods have taken certain segments of the cruising-boat market by storm, and now big-game charter captains who were once fixed-shaft aficionados are embracing this new technology. And there are computer-controlled, straight-shaft systems that can juggle shifts, throttles, and a thruster or thrusters with a joystick, too, using traditional split-shift techniques. To start with, Zeus and IPS boats have to be hauled after their first 25 engine-hours. The pods combine transmission, steering, and propulsion that would otherwise entail separate trans, shaft/prop, thrusters, and rudders. Using a ZF transmission, it could mate any marine engine (Yanmar and Caterpillar have been popular partners) to its pods. Along with Volvo, who now makes the IPS drives from 260 to 1,000 hp, Cummins and MerCruiser partnered to join the fray with their Zeus pod-drive system, complete with SmartCraft monitoring and system management that integrates the vessels electronics, propulsion and onboard systems. Corrosion can cause expensive damage, and quickly, too. Hes also got a lot of applications engineering in his background. Not cool to open two threads on similar subjects, yup, definitely my bad, rookie mistake, thought I was posting in the forum the first time around. Because they operate independently, pod-drives can be controlled via joystick for superb maneuverability. While builders debated the benefits of the different pod designs, many new boaters were simply seduced by the joystick maneuvering system. In addition, I enjoy the added efficiencies Tony mentions above. We back it up with a concierge service. I liked the idea of being able to handle the boat from the helm seat instead of standing up all the time. Click to enable/disable _gid - Google Analytics Cookie. All told, figure $500 per engine annually, plus haul-out fees. Some really nice high tech features that most will never use. Volvo doesn't offer the option of in-water service. If I could afford em, Id get em. Pivoting a boat is simply accomplished by twisting a joystick. I agree with Rob. Use Volvo or Cummins zincs too, which arent zinc at all. When you back down an inboard, the rudder posts start vibrating, and the boat sounds like its coming apart. Pods cost more, period. The Zeus ArcPods are the convenient method of preparing, loading, and transporting your dry herb for use with your Zeus Arc GTS or Arc S vaporizer. Internal bonding issue and corrosion and a bunch of internal parts had to be changed. Todd Anderson recently ran a 50 Viking powered by ZF 4000 pods. Volvo Penta has 16,000 pod-drive boats in the marketplace right now. But now thats all gone away. Here at TVAPE we offer free shipping on every order above $100.00 inside Canada and USA. This article originally appeared in the February 2014 issue of Power & Motoryacht magazine. Hes president of Petzolds Marine Center (petzolds.com) in Portland, Connecticut, a dealer for both Sabre and Regal, two boatbuilders that moved into pods early in the game. Although pod housings are built of corrosion-resistant bronze rather than the aluminum alloy used for stern drives, its still critical to maintain the anodes. But downward-pointing conventional shafts lift sterns, negating, or even reversing, that fuel-economy advantage at slower speeds (0.92 nmg shafts @ 15.9 kts. We may request cookies to be set on your device. Zeus service includes changing 0w30 SAE transmission oil, hydraulic steering oil and filters inside the hull as well as 90-weight gear oil outside the hull. Inboards props are angled downward, diminishing the power directed toward forward motion. His experience tells him a similar grounding with conventional shafts would have been much worse, perhaps even damaging rudder or strut supports badly enough to flood the boat. Outboards give you the pod advantage, but without the esoteric technology. Big-game fishing is a pursuit rife with tradition and time-proven tactics. He gives even higher praise to the Clean Wake exhaust feature. Take the props off, grease the shafts, and check the seals, Fessenden said. I had the opportunity to run several different boats at Volvos test center in Gothenburg, Sweden, during the companys international press launch, and there is no doubt I was intrigued by the system. is ryan bingham related to ken curtis. However, most sport-fishers rarely operate at wide-open throttle. As Mercury continues to grow its diesel business, Zeus support will grow. Featuring a patented design that provides the simplest solution for vaping on the go with your Zeus 3rd generation vaporizer. I understand in order to get pods cheap they had to use this cardboard-like substance, so seeing how you can't even try to clean it because of the material makes the company seem like they are fishing for my money every month unlike Healthy Rips and Storz and Bickel with their "pods" (IDK what to call them). (Volvo Penta soon followed suit.). Yet the pod makers are quickly closing that gap, and captains who have run them for several years indicate that the reliability has been very good. Draining removes almost all of the dirty oil, while a pump often leaves too much behind. Pods are something new, he said. Lets have a look. And with good reasonthese propulsion systems offer several major-league advantages over traditional inboard power, so once a few savvy boaters got their hands on 'em . Many boatbuilders have installed Zeus in existing designs as we did with the Sabre 42 Express. Will Pod-Drives Overtake Conventional Shafts and Struts? One drive had a. Painting pods will cost a bit more too. However, I think the best application I have run to date was a 39-foot SeaVee with pod-drives. Trawlers dont benefit much from pods. They tasked ZF Marine to bring them a transmission that would mate with their Zeus pod, electronic controls and joystick steering. ZF also added a trick that has less validity in the United States than in the European Union; ZF pods can be mated with both electric and diesel motors simultaneously, allowing them to run on electricity to meet the European Unions emissions standards when in port. Finally theres antifoulant for the drive. Check to enable permanent hiding of message bar and refuse all cookies if you do not opt in. (Stranded in Guaymas, Mexico, I watched a guy true up a dinged prop using just a single jack and anvil. Martin Meissner of ZF Marine says engine makers still dont have a handle on the potential volume. (Its not a bad idea to do the sameminus the sealsfor inboards.). JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Unless you get the boat at a knock-down price, I mean really low, I wouldn't touch one without a full service history or a late model. Zirk fittings require grease in U-joints and at both ends of jack shafts that connect engines to drives. Yet catastrophic groundings are rare for all boats, although again, the financial consequences for the pod owner are usually steeper. Sabre seems to be moving more and more towards the IPS units over Cummins especially since Cummins and Mercury parted paths several years ago (both still support Zeus drives). There are a lot of traditionalists in that market.. Nonetheless, pods are not going away and I hope more marine techs will learn them. So how big is the pod market? Superior to bow thrusters, which can drain your battery and leave you stranded - Zeus Joystick Piloting for Pods is integrated with the pod drives, without relying on battery power. Pods from all manufacturers have proven reliable and trouble-free, when maintained correctly. The maneuverability of the boat is what sells it, especially in close quarters, he says. Controlling wind, waves and current. Full details on shipping can be found here. On the other hand, pod boats typically dont have bow thrusters. The Zeus system propellers are on the back of the pods, as opposed to the Volvo IPS, which are on the front. The biggest difference between IPS's and Zeus pods is the position of the propeller. No more packing on the go, just pop in and enjoy. Its also important to monitor for seawater dripping onto drives. Mark their location any way you can, with a waypoint or a buoy, said Steve Little, president ofTowBoatU.S. We didnt have to touch it until we got back to San Diego.). How many buyers do you think reconsider upgrading to pods because of the extra maintenance cost? Please be aware that this might heavily reduce the functionality and appearance of our site. That smooths out some of the minor gear asperities and grinding marks, improving the life of the gears. After break-in, pods are serviced every 250 hours or 12 months, whichever occurs first. Sociability is another huge advantage to pods. Shafts, Props and a good ole thruster or 2 can have you handling your boat like a POD boat. Most pods also require periodic removal and inspection of prop sets and seals, and re-greasing of the propshaftsfigure $250 per . Make sure to do this, and if buying a used boat, make certain the first owner did it, too. The other issue was when the owner sold the boat they did a oil sample and found water and both lower units had to be resealed and a main shaft had to be changed. I had one of the first triple-outboard SeeVees made, but I was sick of buying the gas, and Ariel was gonna try the IPS. Being new to power boating, I selected this configuration for ease of docking and it has been fabulous. Click to enable/disable _ga - Google Analytics Cookie. Thats not me talkingits Bob Petzold, who has as much experience as almost anybody selling, servicing, and repairing pod drives. Inboard fans argue that the pod-drives lack torque. With IPS Ill run out to the Corner and fish the tide for wahoo, then head over to Gingerbread and get some yelloweye before heading home. More interior room? The vaporizers displayed on this website are not intended for or made to prevent, treat or diagnose any illness. But, the lids. (Do the same with outboards and stern drives.) Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, Zeus ArcPods are finally here! We get a lot of oyster growth inside the drive intakes, Siebert said. are zeus pods still being manufactured. I rarely say this but if your dead set on a pod option I would put Volvos in. When checking transmission oil level, give it a sniff. And the Zeus pods also came with a joystick. If we have to go searching or put divers in the water, thats another story. To prevent later claims of piracy, come to an agreement beforehand, Little said. Cummins expert Rob Mirman gives an overview of the Cummins Zeus pod drive system at the 2013 Miami International Boat Show. After the tests in Sweden, I then did a leg of the trip on that first Tiara Volvo demo boat, heading west in the New York State Canal from the Hudson River to the Great Lakes. The pod-drive boats were clearly more maneuverable and accelerated more quickly than strut, shaft and -prop-drive inboards. In the past decade, high-tech pod drives have changed the face of powerboating, and for the better. how to say hello we are blackpink in korean; hawaii energy issues. I also feel they will continue to loose market share to Volvo. Most studies show that maximum rpm only accounts for about 10 percent of the total running cycle of most boats and engines. I was surprised by how light and long lasting these were. Stephen Smith is the southwest sales representative for Caterpillar. With it, fingertip operation of any vessel became possible. Like most everything, making the decision to go conventional or pod is a personal choice. We use cookies to let us know when you visit our websites, how you interact with us, to enrich your user experience, and to customize your relationship with our website. While there has not been a flood of acceptance in the sport-fishing market for pod-drives, the cruising market has seen a larger number of owners making the transition away from conventional shaft-and-wheel boats. Add to Cart. ZF Marine entered the pod fray when its exclusivity agreement with Zeus expired. Use of Cookies: ZF Friedrichshafen AG uses cookies to continuously improve the website and optimize its design. Pull into any port in the world, and theres probably a guy there who can fix it. are zeus pods still being manufacturedbest air quality cities in arizona 27 avril 2022. are zeus pods still being manufacturedaluminum upright bass for sale 16 avril 2022; are zeus pods still being manufacturedwooden postcard postage 24 mars 2022;
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